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Travis ([personal profile] torachan) wrote2009-08-30 07:22 pm

Avoid this survey!

There is a fandom survey going around, which you will recognise by the huge banner people are posting for it. DO NOT TAKE IT.

You can read comments here for how problematic it is, and their mission statement is here, which I am kicking myself for not reading before taking the survey.

Their mission is to prove hardwired gender differences. How on earth is that possible? Fandom is mostly women! How are they going to get enough men to make such a comparison? And their questions are so loaded and full of assumptions and some of them have no answers that don't force you to choose what they want you to choose, that either you have to skip the question (which I didn't even know was a choice) or lie in order to proceed!

It's a badly-designed survey. It's a heavily-biased survey. Even if you agree with their mission statement, you shouldn't take the survey because it's a piece of shit survey. Any survey that requires you to lie to proceed is a bad survey (and since there is nothing that says you can skip a question and still proceed, many people will indeed lie in order to be able to move on).
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[personal profile] gloss 2009-08-31 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Fuuuuuuuck. I took it in order to comment at Telesilla's post, and got *really* pissed off while taking it, and now I know why. DDDD:
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[personal profile] telesilla 2009-08-31 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so sorry for linking to it. I took it and then someone on my flist linked to a flocked post about a conversation she had with the people doing the study and I took down my post.

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[personal profile] facetofcathy 2009-08-31 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
What [personal profile] gloss said.

I did leave some really rude responses in the free-form boxes though. And I happily skipped some of the really dumb questions. I'm tempted to take it again, say I'm a guy and see how the questions are different.
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[personal profile] telesilla 2009-08-31 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Like I said to [personal profile] gloss, I'm so sorry I linked people to it. After I did, I was linked to a really probelmatical exchange someone on my flist had with the people doing the survey and I took my post down.

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[personal profile] alchemia 2009-08-31 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going back and changing all my answers now... =P

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[personal profile] gblvr 2009-08-31 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure my answers will screw with their numbers, as I used some of the freeform boxes to tell them what was wrong with the question I was supposed to be answering....
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[personal profile] softestbullet 2009-08-31 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
Ewwwww. Thanks for the heads-up. :(
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[personal profile] alchemia 2009-08-31 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
i took it w/o reading the stuff because you know surveys are just fun, heh, even when they piss me off- i just want to see what stupid question they will ask next and laugh/rant about it to Bug, (or flist).

Some problems I noticed:

They offer Transgender and "other" in addition to M and F for gender, but they do not offer anythign but Male and Female for biological/born as sex...? So intersex peopel do not exist??? Then, on one of their discussion pages, they actually address this question, by saying basically, well intersex is rare, so we figured the way we wrote it is acceptable to most test takers. Well, yeah, you can exclude any minority on that ground- but your survery will be- well a piece of shit :-P

My Favourite fucked up question though was about if you write M/M slash... how do you research male anatomy to make it realistic? with a bunch of options like "i ask my gay friends" or "I watch gay porn". Because NO ONE in the history of Slash has EVAR had a penis, or anything shoved up their arse. >:-(

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[personal profile] stewardess 2009-08-31 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
Question 31 out of 70
What specific fan fiction story would you most like to live out as one of its characters? (If possible, please provide the name of the story, fandom, and author.)

What the heck? I wonder if they ask what animal you would be in question 32. You know, if you HAD to be an animal... :D

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[personal profile] reddwarfer 2009-08-31 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
I took the survey first without realizing and found myself really irritated at some of the questions and where it all seemed to be headed, but I did so honestly. Then I read these things and changed most of my answers. They'll think I have Jedi fixation, but that's okay.
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[personal profile] red_eft 2009-08-31 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I took it because, hey, survey! I like Sharing My Thoughts on Yaoi (er, quite literally, in this case) and didn't read the statement first, more fool I. But some of the questions seemed really weird (what fic would you like to live out? bzuh? I mean, I can see what fic *universe* you'd like to live in, maybe, although that tends to apply more to canons, but live out the story?) and problematic.


[identity profile] 2009-08-31 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
Search on "Ogi Ogas" -- I smell troll.

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[personal profile] dewey 2009-08-31 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
I did - and at first thought you were right, troll, but then I found a webpage for him: It didn't link to anything so I thought maybe an elaborate ruse? But I took a look at the research and used the e-journals at the university library to look up the 2005 article in Neural Networks and it does exist and he is a co-author. Looks like he probably has just finished a PhD. But I still didn't like that the webpage didn't link anywhere so checked the Boston University directory for the dept. and he is there:

So not troll - just clueless!

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[personal profile] fiercy 2009-08-31 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
Pointed here from...well..several places. :P

I'm beginning to suspect that their "research" is how fandom responds to their research/survey.

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[personal profile] angelikitten 2009-08-31 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the warning! If I hadn't seen this, I wouldn't have seen the several comments about the triggery question either, and that could have messed me up good and proper on its own :(

(I randomly found this post on my network page (probably because of [personal profile] fizzyblogic and/or [personal profile] leanwellback, I'd guess), so don't worry that you don't recognise me.)

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[personal profile] parthenia 2009-08-31 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
(here from geoviki and alchemia's comment)

Can I just add that this survey seems like complete and total bullshit? They describe themselves as 'cognitive neuroscientists' yet also say they are not psychologists - last time I looked, cog neuroscience was a branch of psychology which usually involves looking at brain imaging or EEG readouts, not administering cod surveys to an uncontrolled sample. Either they are honest and extremely stupid, or they're really doing something else entirely, like investigating language. Either way, mmm, not nice.
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[personal profile] altogetherisi 2009-08-31 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for posting this. I found that survey through crack van, and was kinda annoyed with the very first question on biological gender, like what about intersexuals, but I stuck with it, my eyebrow rising higher and higher for several questions before it just got too much and I clicked back in disgust. It started out seeming ignorant but innocently so, but as it went on I got more and more weirded out by some of the crazy stuff they were implying and the lack of options.

After all the racefail in fandom recently that the race question was so closed (no options for more than one, and did they expect those of Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, Pakastani and Indian et al descent to all click Asian?) rang serious warning bells, like at absolute best this is a survey by idiot amateurs, at worse, well...

And then the slash slant, was like "...whut?" The romance novel one was like "..." and I personally resented the implication that the first fic I read automatically wasn't slash...

The final question I actually gave up from was the fictional character mate one, but when they asked what fic I wanted to live out or something I think I wrote "I don't even know how to begin answering such a ridculous question"... Anyway, I'm glad I'm not the only one that approached the survey willing to volunteer and find it ridculous and loaded and invalid.
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[personal profile] elspethdixon 2009-08-31 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Their mission is to prove hardwired gender differences.

By surveying annoymous people on the internet with a set of questions they change mid-survey.

Wow. That's... scienterrific. It's like truthiness, only with even more unfounded assumptions.

Wow. Tools.

[identity profile] 2009-08-31 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I seriously cannot believe how stupid those "researchers" are. I mean, I'm only a psych undergrad and I know more about what constitutes good research than these posers. That's ridiculous. It saddens me...a lot.

[identity profile] 2009-08-31 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't even opened the survey to look at the questions, but judging by the few I've seen on their LJ and the responses they've been it bad that I already think they're asshats? :x

On the other hand, I'm loving how many comments they're getting that are telling them how unscientific this whole thing is. :Dv
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[identity profile] 2009-08-31 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Before I took the survey, all I saw was the banners about it and so I just clicked not knowing any better. :-/

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[personal profile] ex_mrs260625 2009-08-31 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
Question 41, about how one researches male physiology for slash purposes, seems to assume that the survey taker is not a man. (No "my own body/sexual experiences" type answer.)
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[identity profile] 2009-08-31 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
I know! Or even for women, how about personal experience from having sex with men? It's not that different, seriously.

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[identity profile] 2009-08-31 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
omg, wow! how badly prepared does that sound? VERY.
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[identity profile] 2009-08-31 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
It is bad, so very bad. And apparently they're planning to write a book with the results??? D: It was bad enough when I thought it was for a research paper or something, but a survey this badly designed it for a book? Gah!

[identity profile] 2009-08-31 10:46 am (UTC)(link)
I read through all the questions. Once again I feel like I'm in an invisible part of fandom. Even if I wanted to fill it out, I'd have trouble with a lot of the questions.

Which fic (one assumes erotic) would I most like to act out? LOLWUT?
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[identity profile] 2009-08-31 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I found that question bizarre.

I had a lot of trouble with the survey just from the assumptions in the questions and the fact that so many of them had no applicable answer for me, so I was annoyed at it just from a "gah, this is badly designed!" standpoint. But then learning more about why they made the survey, blech.

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[identity profile] 2009-08-31 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I read through some of the discussion, and the writer of the poll wrote this in response to a question regarding wordcount and story length: To be honest, I didn't realize that fanfiction included novels and novellas.


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[identity profile] 2009-08-31 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)

You're kidding me. No, I know you're not, but you're kidding me.
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[personal profile] elf 2009-09-01 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
This pos, and the matching one at DW, have been included in a linkspam roundup.