torachan: anime-style me ver. 2.0 (anime me)Travis ([personal profile] torachan) wrote,
@ 2010-06-19 01:04 am UTC
  • Previous Entry
  • Add to Memories
  • Tell someone about this!
  • Next Entry
Entry tags:trans
So, if you've been reading my journal for a while, you may remember that when I came out to my mom earlier this year, it turned out she already sort of knew (at least about Carla, even if not about me), because my friend Yash decided to be a total concern troll and called my mom up a month or so earlier and said "I saw something on Facebook and I think [Carla] wants to be a woman!"

I have been friends with Yash two-thirds of my life (I will be 34 next week; I met Yash when I was 10, though we didn't really become friends until a couple years later). We were closest in high school, but still stayed friends when she went to college out of state, then moved to Montana for a few years. We were closer again when she was back in LA. We drifted apart again in recent years after she became a parent and didn't really have time for anything but her kids. But I still thought of her as one of my closest offline friends.

Despite that, I was wary of coming out to her. She is a conservative Christian and while that on its own doesn't necessarily mean anything, I also had prior experience to go by. When our friend Alexander came out years ago, she not only did the whole misgendering/wrong name thing (still does), but was in contact with his mom several times to try and stage an intervention. So I worried that if I came out to Yash before coming out to my mom, she would tell my mom before I was ready. I wanted to think she wouldn't, that she had changed over the years, but as it turns out, I was right to be wary. [ETA: I just wanted to acknowledge that I acted like an asshole when Alexander came out, too. I can blame it on my own issues and other stuff that was going on, but none of that justifies my actions. The difference is, I'm not that person anymore, and Yash clearly still is.]

When I found out from my mom what she'd done, I wanted to send an angry email immediately, but I never got around to it. It was just easier to not engage her at all. We hadn't talked in months (I had wondered if she was just busy/rather talk to her other friends who have kids about parenting stuff, or if she was ignoring me because she'd figured something was up), so I just deleted her off AIM so I would stop seeing when she was online and went on with my life.

Then the other day I got an email from her (a mass email, not personal) saying that after almost a year and a half, her mom had found out that she'd lied about her most recently adopted daughter (long story short: she knew her mom (whom she lives with) wouldn't approve of her adopting from overseas due to the cost, so she told her mom she adopted from the state and that this daughter was the half-sister of her other daughter - very Christian of her, right?).

I thought that seemed like a perfect opening to email her, so I finally did last night. I can't remember exactly what I said, but it was a fairly short email and I said I hoped she liked it up there on her Christian moral high horse and then called her a fucking hypocrite, because JFC it never once occurred to me to tattle to her mom that she had lied about her daughter. We are adults!

Anyway. I got an email back from her this morning which I archived unread. I can't deal with reading it right now. I don't know when or if I will, but it's there if I ever do.



ETA: I may not answer comments to this post right away (or at all, idk), but I appreciate them all.


(36 comments) - (Post a new comment)
(Flat) (Top-level comments only)

reddwarfer: Kubota and Tokito walking (Kubota/Tokito: Til the day)


[personal profile] reddwarfer
2010-06-19 09:20 am UTC (link)
*hugs* It's hard to deal with people like that because you will never win, my dear. It's a rare thing when someone like that learns and changes and gets it. In the end, you generally just end up spending a lot of energy fighting a war you can't win.

So, *hugs again* because it's hard to feel that sort of disappointment/grief when losing a friend due to something that should never come between people.

(Reply to this


impressioniste: Daisies (Daisies)


[personal profile] impressioniste
2010-06-19 09:22 am UTC (link)
What craziness :|

Hopefully the closure-ness will help.

(Reply to this


batagur: (Batagur, Batagur baska)


[personal profile] batagur
2010-06-19 09:28 am UTC (link)
I hope it was a sobering reminder for her when you mentioned that you didn't tattle on her and yet she felt she had the right to tattle on you and Carla's lives. We can only hope that she see that.

*hugs*

(Reply to this



[personal profile] lawrenceevalyn
2010-06-19 09:45 am UTC (link)
If you actually want to read the email, you might consider asking a friend to pre-read and satirically summarize it. A friend did this for me sort of by chance when I got an awful letter from my school administration (all about how I wasn't fit to study) and it really made it easier when I then had to respond to the letter itself. I asked the same friend to cushion a few letters from my mother later on, and it helped.

In other news, hi! I have a DW account now! And I emailed you, like, a month ago, from my super-fancy new email address... which I then never checked. So, um. I'm back! And I'll be sending you fic soon?

(Reply to this)  (Thread



[identity profile] kakeochi-umai.livejournal.com
2010-06-20 04:07 am UTC (link)
I really like this for an idea.

And I am still in a state of shock that somebody's close friends and family could be so shitty about something like that.

(Reply to this)  (Thread from start)  (Parent


angelikitten: Text: EPIC FAIL (Sad - Fail Fail FAIL)


[personal profile] angelikitten
2010-06-19 09:59 am UTC (link)
... I don't even have words.

(Reply to this


red_trillium: a Dreamwidth Sheep with Spock ears and uniform (DW sheep - Spock Dreamwidth Sheep)


[personal profile] red_trillium
2010-06-19 10:09 am UTC (link)
I hope this does bring you some closure. It was pretty ridiculous of her to tell your mom about Carla. I think it's sadly something she probably won't put two and two together about how wrong it was for her to do that when she was being dishonest with her own mother and woudln't have appreciated someone doing the same to her.

*hugs*

(Reply to this)  (Thread



[identity profile] kakeochi-umai.livejournal.com
2010-06-20 04:08 am UTC (link)
It was pretty ridiculous of her to tell your mom about Carla.

This. It's like, how old are you?!

(Reply to this)  (Thread from start)  (Parent


littlebutfierce: (diane  duane guard growth)


[personal profile] littlebutfierce
2010-06-19 10:21 am UTC (link)
:/ It's hard to lose someone you've known for so long, particularly when she's done something so very wrong like that. I hope that you do feel some closure.

(Reply to this



[identity profile] rebness.livejournal.com
2010-06-19 10:50 am UTC (link)
I agree with the earlier comment that if/when you do decide to read it, perhaps have a friend pre-screen it and help you decide whether it's something constructive or just bile.

I think what she did was absolutely outrageous. You don't owe her a thing. I hope that e-mail at least contains an apology for being such a bad friend.

On a lighter note, total concern troll made me laugh.

(Reply to this


jackandahat: (Knitting Addict)


[personal profile] jackandahat
2010-06-19 11:20 am UTC (link)
Oh for god's sake. *shakes head* That's just ridiculous. I had a "friend" felt the need to try and reason with my mother when I was trying to get a new life, because she decided I was confused and exaggerating things.

It's amazing what you learn about people when you make a big change in your life.

(Reply to this


surpassingly: (kitteh: just hold on)

i have few words right now, i'm sorry, but:


[personal profile] surpassingly
2010-06-19 11:58 am UTC (link)
Hugs, if you would like them, and my thoughts and well wishes are with you.

(Reply to this


princessofgeeks: (RDA and MS by magnavox)


[personal profile] princessofgeeks
2010-06-19 01:23 pm UTC (link)
so sorry. :(.

(Reply to this



(Anonymous)
2010-06-19 01:38 pm UTC (link)
*hugs*

(Reply to this


dagas_isa: Kanzaki Nao from Liar Game (smug nao)


[personal profile] dagas_isa
2010-06-19 01:53 pm UTC (link)
*hugs* I hope this brings you closure, and take care of yourself.

(Reply to this


downtide: shore birds (gen tidings)


[personal profile] downtide
2010-06-19 02:16 pm UTC (link)
I hope this brings closure. All I can add is that friends who treat their friends like that aren't really friends at all.

(Reply to this


mrkinch: Viggo clutching his head (distraught)


[personal profile] mrkinch
2010-06-19 02:52 pm UTC (link)
*massive hugs*

(Reply to this


bell: Cuddy hugging Wilson to comfort him (hold)


[personal profile] bell
2010-06-19 02:58 pm UTC (link)
I've had dear friends who've denied/saw as morally wrong an essential part of my identity (my bisexuality), but never one who went out and tried to make my life worse by attacking it (if in a well-meaning manner). Urgh. I hope she comes to understand her hypocrisy, (preferably) now or eventually, as well as respect that your decisions are yours to make!

(Reply to this


helens78: A man in a leather jacket, seated on the ground, looks up hopefully. (x: erik looking up)


[personal profile] helens78
2010-06-19 03:03 pm UTC (link)
*hugs*

(Reply to this


zillah975: Panel from "Mutts" of Ozzie carrying Earl inside his coat through a snowstorm. (cuddles)


[personal profile] zillah975
2010-06-19 04:43 pm UTC (link)
*hugs you SO MUCH* *and then more* I'm keeping all best thoughts for positive closure to this unhappy episode. *more with the hugging*

(Reply to this


dame_grise: Julie Andrews in drag looking in a mirror (Victor Victoria) (Julie Andrews)


[personal profile] dame_grise
2010-06-19 04:58 pm UTC (link)
It's sad. You get to decide about your life, and Carla gets to decide about hers.

Not your other so-called friend. This kind of behavior makes me angry, and kind of ashamed to be a Christian sometimes.

(Reply to this


fizzyblogic: [Game of Thrones] detail on a map of Westeros (hug; *snuggle*)


[personal profile] fizzyblogic
2010-06-19 05:29 pm UTC (link)

(Reply to this


jumpuphigh: Pigeon with text "jumpuphigh" (pigeon)


[personal profile] jumpuphigh
2010-06-19 05:54 pm UTC (link)
*hugs*

(Reply to this


stewardess: (nf crayons by moonlitlife, z crayons by moonlitlife)


[personal profile] stewardess
2010-06-19 06:25 pm UTC (link)
Crap. I couldn't read the response either, fearing it would contain a rationalization about how the two issues are totally different, or Think Of The Children, or something else infuriating. The photo shows that once upon a time you were both happy in each other's company, and gives me an idea of the pain this has caused.

(Reply to this


hekaterine: (DC)


[personal profile] hekaterine
2010-06-19 07:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry. I hope there's some positive closure.

(Reply to this


sorchar: Sparkly brain (epilepsy)


[personal profile] sorchar
2010-06-19 08:38 pm UTC (link)
*hugs* I'm so sorry about all of this. For her actions, and for the turn your friendship has taken. That's always painful, even when the other person has crossed the line so very badly.

(Reply to this


scrollgirl: chinese character for love (misc love)


[personal profile] scrollgirl
2010-06-19 08:53 pm UTC (link)
*hugs you* I'm sorry this woman behaved in such an asshat, concern troll manner. I do hope, though, that her coming clean to her mom means the two adopted girls won't be lied to either (if that was indeed happening). You mentioned before that one girl was half Samoan and the other girl was Vietnamese--I'd hate for them to be confused about their identities.

(Reply to this)  (Thread


torachan: anime-style me ver. 2.0 (anime me)


[personal profile] torachan
2010-06-19 09:42 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, her daughters are 2 and 3 now, so probably too young for her to have told them anything. The idea that if she kept up the lie to her mom, she would also have to lie to her kids was always what bothered me the most.

(Reply to this)  (Thread from start)  (Parent


yhlee: wax seal (hxx Deuce of Gears)


[personal profile] yhlee
2010-06-19 09:03 pm UTC (link)
*support support*

(Reply to this


likeaduck: A Vespa motorscooter with giraffe print paint job. "Vespa" logo appears in black behind the scooter. (duck and emily love)


[personal profile] likeaduck
2010-06-19 09:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry to hear you've been dealing with that from a friend.

(Reply to this


darkrose: (eggplant mike)


[personal profile] darkrose
2010-06-19 10:32 pm UTC (link)
*hugs* I'm sorry. When I think about all of the stuff you've posted about Yash, and how happy you were for her when she adopted, I get really, really angry.

(Reply to this


telesilla: black and white picture of telesilla (glasses b&w)


[personal profile] telesilla
2010-06-19 10:39 pm UTC (link)
Oh man, that sucks. I'm so sorry this has happened after so many years of being close.

(Reply to this


scheherezhad: chibi Virgil and Richie from Static Shock, V is cranky, Rich is hugging him (cranky hug)


[personal profile] scheherezhad
2010-06-19 11:25 pm UTC (link)
*smish*

(Reply to this


ella_bane: (pic#5169433)


[personal profile] ella_bane
2010-06-20 12:42 am UTC (link)
*hugs* I'm so sorry. For someone you've known that long to betray you is awful.

(Reply to this



[personal profile] amethystfirefly
2010-06-20 04:47 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry, hon. :( -hugs-

(Reply to this



[personal profile] delle
2010-06-21 12:01 am UTC (link)
I am thinking of you and Carla. Personally, I think the suggestions above about having someone else (maybe Carla?) read the email and give you the gist is a great idea. If it's poison, you don't need it.

(Reply to this



(36 comments) - (Post a new comment)
(Flat) (Top-level comments only)